tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post1682902646047791867..comments2023-10-30T09:03:07.163-07:00Comments on California High Speed Rail Blog: Corridor of DeathRobert Cruickshankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06906581839066570472noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-68208468353013003782009-06-12T02:40:04.622-07:002009-06-12T02:40:04.622-07:00@Brandon --
LOL. I actually am not talking with y...@Brandon --<br /><br />LOL. I actually am <i>not talking</i> with you (or Spokker).<br /><br />You can leave at anytime.Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-55410505723210238212009-06-10T09:20:16.251-07:002009-06-10T09:20:16.251-07:00Pat,
Apparnetly you discovered the old saying, if...Pat,<br /><br />Apparnetly you discovered the old saying, if you say something enough, it will be true, i.e. "Roberts Propoganda". <br /><br />But it's okay to believe your ideas about the way you want the high speed rail project to go and if we didn't, then we would be creating propoganda. Give me a break. <br /><br />Don't cry when thigs don't always go your way.Eric Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-59663046166530309012009-06-10T06:26:04.735-07:002009-06-10T06:26:04.735-07:00Please keep writing. I am hanging on your every w...Please keep writing. I am hanging on your every writen word.Brandon in Californiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14796810137823230737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-49834277058297924132009-06-10T01:58:20.870-07:002009-06-10T01:58:20.870-07:00So to recap:
yeson1a thinks that Robert Cruicksha...So to recap:<br /><br />yeson1a thinks that <a href="http://cahsr.blogspot.com/2009/06/corridor-of-death.html?showComment=1244617536319#c2990044663566183040" rel="nofollow">Robert Cruickshank believes that High Speed Trains run over jews</a><br /><br />Alon Levy has learned that <a href="http://cahsr.blogspot.com/2009/06/corridor-of-death.html?showComment=1244613986757#c5950585205735233618" rel="nofollow">Robert Cruickshank believes the train to Dachau was ... "really fast and comfortable, but it went in tunnels and that was depressing."</a><br /><br />Brandon in San Diego opines that <br /><a href="http://cahsr.blogspot.com/2009/06/corridor-of-death.html?showComment=1244605464766#c4231648759934169638" rel="nofollow">Robert Cruickshank thinks that operating HSR in tunnels is <i>like Jews headed to concentration camps aboard dark dank crowded box cars, complete with flood lights and barking dogs rolling through barbed wire gates</i></a><br /><br />Spokker thinks that <br /><a href="http://cahsr.blogspot.com/2009/06/corridor-of-death.html?showComment=1244601685690#c8522100941924248037" rel="nofollow">Robert Cruickshank is closer to Randal O'Toole than Robert Cruickshank is to Himmler</a><br /><br />Alon Levy thinks that <a href="http://cahsr.blogspot.com/2009/06/corridor-of-death.html?showComment=1244593320051#c1989777700723225442" rel="nofollow">Robert Cruickshank is a Nazi</a><br /><br />Of course none of you think any of this. However, you are willing to use the same innuendo and misquoting on others.Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-77139098460251238662009-06-10T00:09:02.699-07:002009-06-10T00:09:02.699-07:00@Brandon --
The CHSRA selected Pacheco, discussin...@Brandon --<br /><br /><i>The CHSRA selected Pacheco, discussing the merits of one or the other is pointless.</i><br /><br />And the humor never, ever ends! Here are some other things that the CHSRA "selected": <br /><br /> 1) They were going to run the train through the Henry Coe State Park.<br /> 2) They were not going to study the Altamont Pass.<br /> 3) A rail bridge over the Bay at Dumbarton would cost more than the new Bay Bridge.<br /><br />Since you are a CHSRA follower, please don't mind if the rest of us ignore you and change already "decided" issues.<br /><br />I have been around long enough politically to know any time a politician whips out the "its been decided" assertion, the politician has a weak hand and they are bluffing.<br /><br />P.S. "CHSRA decided" is not legal.Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-29900446635661830402009-06-10T00:05:36.319-07:002009-06-10T00:05:36.319-07:00High Speed Trains run over jewsHigh Speed Trains run over jewsyeson1anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-12939235441927697372009-06-09T23:40:04.774-07:002009-06-09T23:40:04.774-07:00This is the greatest thread in the history of pass...This is the greatest thread in the history of passenger railroad discussion.Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-59505852057352336182009-06-09T23:06:26.757-07:002009-06-09T23:06:26.757-07:00riders forced into tubes would be treated like Jew...<i>riders forced into tubes would be treated like Jews headed to concentration camps aboard dark dank crowded box cars</i><br /><br />Indeed, my grandfather's description of why he jumped from the train to Dachau was along the lines of "It was really fast and comfortable, but it went in tunnels and that was depressing."Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-11160733214044683062009-06-09T22:13:02.865-07:002009-06-09T22:13:02.865-07:00The CHSRA selected Pacheco, discussing the merits ...The CHSRA selected Pacheco, discussing the merits of one or the other is pointless.Brandon in Californiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14796810137823230737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-27209519394003738002009-06-09T21:31:54.462-07:002009-06-09T21:31:54.462-07:00@Brandon --
I agree. Since you feel so strongly a...@Brandon --<br /><br />I agree. Since you feel so strongly about tunnels, I gather you support the Altamont Pass which has barely any tunnels much better than the Pacheco Pass which has about 16 miles of tunnels through a bunch of faults. I am sure you agree Palo Alto NIMBYs should just be bypassed and the HSR train should go over the bay at Redwood City.Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-42316487599341696382009-06-09T20:44:24.766-07:002009-06-09T20:44:24.766-07:00It was peninsula NIMBY's that first raised the...It was peninsula NIMBY's that first raised the Cold War era Berlin Wall analogy to describe elevated tracks as a scare tactic against HSR.<br /><br />Additionally, it was peninsula NIMBY's that said an HSR tunnel would remove the rails as an opportunity for teens and others to attempt suicide. <br /><br />And now this blog is being accused of propagandizing something? Oh gawd... who's calling the kettle black?<br /><br />For me, I don't feel riders should be relegated to underground structures/tubes because it supposedly will be noisy or unsightly. Unfortunately with the Cold War and WWII analogies raised... I now have one... that riders forced into tubes would be treated like Jews headed to concentration camps aboard dark dank crowded box cars, complete with flood lights and barking dogs rolling through barbed wire gates. And the NIMBY's are siding with Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denying that, "It never happened."<br /><br />Freedom! I want that. I need that... the freedom to know where by looking out a window. To see and be seen.Brandon in Californiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14796810137823230737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-80071472011774205302009-06-09T19:52:46.350-07:002009-06-09T19:52:46.350-07:00@Spokker --
Oh I stopped taking you seriously a l...@Spokker --<br /><br />Oh I stopped taking you seriously a long time ago myself, Mr. Rickshaw!<br /><br />@Dan S --<br /><br />Well said. I agree. Some homes are very close to the Caltrain ROW, as a result I suspect when all is said and done some crossings will simply be closed rather than elevate Caltrain.Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-85221009419242480372009-06-09T19:41:25.690-07:002009-06-09T19:41:25.690-07:00"Glad to hear you really do not care for prov..."Glad to hear you really do not care for providing a transportation system for the Bay Area."<br /><br />If not taking you seriously means that I don't care about mass transit in the Bay Area, then consider me Randal O'Toole.Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-44787490457691088902009-06-09T19:37:22.211-07:002009-06-09T19:37:22.211-07:00While I think the safety improvements provided by ...While I think the safety improvements provided by grade-separating the corridor would clearly provide a reduction in suicides, its use as an argument for supporting those grade-separations is limited because it has the danger of unfairly pushing the buttons of the opposing side. The anti-Peninsula-HSR crowd is clearly not in favor of suicides; many of them are after all living right next door, and there is no justification for (explicitly or implicitly) accusing someone of favoring suicides in their own neighborhood.<br /><br />Morris, your response is measured and well-stated and appreciated. <br /><br />However, I would challenge those who are against elevating the tracks around the proposed new grade-separations to at least admit that it would provide a big improvement in safety to the neighborhood. And I think it's an important argument to make, it just needs to be presented in a respectful manner. Those safety improvements are not just a benefit to those living right next to the tracks, but they are also a vital asset to the community at-large.<br /><br />I mean, I can certainly admit that there are "cons" to the Peninsula-HSR alignment, and I don't think it makes me unconcerned about suicide. However, in the final calculus, I still come out hugely in favor of the project and I'm sure rooting for its success.<br /><br /><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BATN/message/41748" rel="nofollow">That story</a> about the man who died south of Diridon is chilling -- he waited for an ACE train to pass before sneaking through the gates, thinking they were just slow in lifting, only to be blindsided by an out-of-service Caltrain. Stupid, yes. Tragic, more so.<br /><br />[And after re-reading these posts, it's a horrifying replay of the story Morris posted.]Dan Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-53443594179539363762009-06-09T19:15:31.397-07:002009-06-09T19:15:31.397-07:00@Alon Levy --
Sounds like very "deep" q...@Alon Levy --<br /><br />Sounds like very "deep" questions. <br /><br />Yes, indeed.<br /><br /><br />@Spokker -- <br /><br />Glad to hear you really do not care for providing a transportation system for the Bay Area. <a href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/1202317925.html" rel="nofollow">Here is your rickshaw</a>.Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-13545319680248649552009-06-09T17:22:13.892-07:002009-06-09T17:22:13.892-07:00So all I have to do to get my wife to leave is to ...So all I have to do to get my wife to leave is to take ACE? I say keep the damn thing around!<br /><br />Take my wife, please, ACE!Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-19897777007232254422009-06-09T17:22:00.051-07:002009-06-09T17:22:00.051-07:00Do anti-semantic people hate the meaning of words?...Do anti-semantic people hate the meaning of words? Or do they hate people who obsess over meanings of words? I'm not sure - I haven't heard that term before. Personally, I'm pro-semantic - I like having clear distinctions between "___ is an enthusiastic advocate for his position" and "___ is a Nazi." Do you disagree?Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-77560001912130540562009-06-09T15:49:19.930-07:002009-06-09T15:49:19.930-07:00@Spokker --
Actually yes. It does. A friend suffe...@Spokker --<br /><br />Actually yes. It does. A friend suffered for years trying to take the ACE train from Tracy to his jobs on the Peninsula. He didn't get much opportunity to be with his kids during the week. The Tracy/Stockton area has a higher than normal divorce rate caused by the long commute times. [Source: Elaine Shaw, a Congressional candidate who went up against Richard Pombo before Jerry McNerney took out Pombo]<br /><br />So sarcasm aside. Yes that commute does upset me. Have you seen the parking lot called I-580? 10 lanes with <b>no</b> good alternative and CHSRA determined to keeping the divorce rate high by not building the needed rail infrastructure.<br /><br />But hey, anyone who disagrees with ignoring the East Bay is <i>evil</i>.<br /><br />I could cry or I could laugh at your willful indifference. So I will laugh.Pathttp://sworddance.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-88659836111692558672009-06-09T15:23:47.660-07:002009-06-09T15:23:47.660-07:00"How about the 1 million or so residents of t..."How about the 1 million or so residents of the East Bay who are getting shut out of any rail improvements?"<br /><br />Yes, your heart absolutely bleeds for those living in the East Bay.Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-23583496940022265002009-06-09T14:10:28.224-07:002009-06-09T14:10:28.224-07:00@Alon Levy --
Oh spare me! I wasn't calling R...@Alon Levy --<br /><br />Oh spare me! I wasn't calling Robert anything more than a propagandist. Spokker started calling Robert anti-semantic.<br /><br />If it makes you feel better can I just start referring to him as the Karl Rove of CHSRA?Pathttp://sworddance.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-87803804716606162802009-06-09T14:06:20.765-07:002009-06-09T14:06:20.765-07:00@YESonHSR --
ROTFL!!! My "rep on google&quo...@YESonHSR -- <br /><br />ROTFL!!! My "rep on google". Hah, hah. Oh I know you googled "Patrick Moore" and "Patrick Moore" is so very, very unique! Let me guess you think I was born in 1947 and that I am <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(environmentalist)" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">this guy</a>. News flash. My mom was about 6 in 1947! Oh yes, I founded Greenpeace and I now run <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Patrick_Moore" rel="nofollow">Greenspirit</a> and I drink oil instead of tea. Or maybe I am this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Patrick Moore</a>. I rather do like the "Sir" part of things. <br /><br />And yes, I am laughing <i>at</i> you. What a smuck to think that google will tell you who I am. Try again!<br /><br />[P.S. I suggest you spell-check and re-read what you write before submitting. The last bit about <i>Have any DONOR<br />"friends" in PA? Great rich yuppies<br />that "care" about the world..just as long as the 80GrandSUV has a road or sacrifice does not include mauch change in MY LIFE</i> was a little incoherent.]<br /><br />@Spokker --<br /><br /><i>It would have been funny if birds ended up being more important than Peninsula residents when it comes to deciding the HSR route.</i><br /><br />How about the 1 million or so residents of the East Bay who are getting shut out of any rail improvements? (Since the birds and the environment is not important to you)<br /><br />I am not willing to destroy the environment to save the environment. But apparently you are. Did you ever meet a backhoe you didn't like?<br /><br />And here I thought that HSR was all about saving the earth. Silly me!Pathttp://sworddance.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-76968964357895084232009-06-09T14:04:45.321-07:002009-06-09T14:04:45.321-07:00Heil Cruickshank!Heil Cruickshank!Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-61169113679408231432009-06-09T13:54:54.524-07:002009-06-09T13:54:54.524-07:00Pat: when you keep making Nazi analogies, you shou...Pat: when you keep making Nazi analogies, you shouldn't complain when people don't take you seriously. If Kopp and Diridon end up bulldozing every town between San Jose and San Francisco, Holocaust references will still be nasty and inappropriate.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-25362120298389296772009-06-09T13:43:25.215-07:002009-06-09T13:43:25.215-07:00"I am referring to the habitat that CHSRA and..."I am referring to the habitat that CHSRA and Robert wants to plow under."<br /><br />It would have been funny if birds ended up being more important than Peninsula residents when it comes to deciding the HSR route.<br /><br />CHSRA: Yeah, we moved the alignment to Altamont.<br /><br />Peninsula NIMBY: We won!!!<br /><br />CHSRA: Well, no, the birds demanded it...Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-47808715802424245022009-06-09T13:32:30.487-07:002009-06-09T13:32:30.487-07:00PAT your "Rep" is well documented on the...PAT your "Rep" is well documented on the web...google is wonderful<br />If it is YOU well you have a mouth like something out of FOX NEWS..NO wonder the SerriaClub is falling out..just like GOP..Have any DONOR<br />"friends" in PA? Great rich yuppies<br />that "care" about the world..just as long as the 80GrandSUV has a road or sacrifice does not include mauch change in MY LIFEYESonHSRnoreply@blogger.com