tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post1998517890901883055..comments2023-10-30T09:03:07.163-07:00Comments on California High Speed Rail Blog: FourBillion.comRobert Cruickshankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06906581839066570472noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-47052045311733532822009-10-17T07:39:56.012-07:002009-10-17T07:39:56.012-07:00If you say so...If you say so...Joeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16406340564037825796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-43502922049313961132009-10-16T23:26:23.265-07:002009-10-16T23:26:23.265-07:00joey you only have to look at it to see its the be...joey you only have to look at it to see its the best one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-31028104728858440652009-10-16T23:21:31.895-07:002009-10-16T23:21:31.895-07:00older amtrak passenger equip had bathrooms that, ...older amtrak passenger equip had bathrooms that, had these little sort of garbage disposal blades that operated when you flushed and processed everything directly to the tracks below. lol my co worker even has one of the old bathroom signs that says"do not flush while in station"<br /><br />I could also tell you a story about a very fat lady and the suction toilet that resulted in needing several employees - but I won't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-50987476295463214532009-10-16T23:21:15.278-07:002009-10-16T23:21:15.278-07:00We did all agree on that right? I mean really, wat...<i>We did all agree on that right? I mean really, watch the video again. I mean they have the best ads.</i><br /><br />Because judging a product based on its ads is always the best way to shop...Joeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16406340564037825796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-38697651035890840162009-10-16T23:00:44.509-07:002009-10-16T23:00:44.509-07:00@Toys..does the wheels on your house go round and ...@Toys..does the wheels on your house go round and round!!??stupid toy trucksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-53865573369934679912009-10-16T22:55:16.438-07:002009-10-16T22:55:16.438-07:00Maby our HSR will help show the "way" o...Maby our HSR will help show the "way" out of the dark tunnel..We "Cails" will show what the United States was..An advanced nation.YESonHSRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-80636766629594877642009-10-16T22:48:48.829-07:002009-10-16T22:48:48.829-07:00US loading gauge permits 10'8".
The ADA-...US loading gauge permits 10'8".<br /><br />The ADA-compliant bathrooms are not a problem for non-tilting trains.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-36277012316852548562009-10-16T22:40:46.364-07:002009-10-16T22:40:46.364-07:00Are ADA requirements going to force a wide body on...<em>Are ADA requirements going to force a wide body on CAHSR? I'm thinking in terms of accessible restrooms etc</em>.<br /><br />Amtrak cars are 10'6", the newer cars have ADA compliant restrooms. "Wide body" Shinkansen are 11' wide. <br /><br /><em>There is no law that says a rail car 11' wide must have five seats abreast</em>.<br /><br />Commuter cars in the US, 10'6" wide, have them. Rumor has it the new cars with two by two have two by two because ADA reguires the aisle has to be wider and 5 seats no longer fit. If that's true there will never be 5 across seating in the US until someone builds something much wider than the current 10'6".Adirondacker12800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-24947840087522439132009-10-16T21:57:27.274-07:002009-10-16T21:57:27.274-07:00@AndyDuncan
re Shinkansen seat legroom
I think th...@AndyDuncan<br />re Shinkansen seat legroom<br /><br />I think the extra space is both for aesthetic reasons and practical- after all, a train allows you to leave your seat at will, and the extra space alleviates elaborate contortions required when passing your neighbor. Width is not emphasized in standard class to maximize capacity (even then, some trains are standing room only in the peak holiday periods), and frankly, people's behinds here are smaller than the average (present-day) 'merican. Also, Japanese are used to smaller spaces and likely have smaller personal "zones of comfort". Anyway, most of the time you're riding a train you're either looking forward, down at your book or notebook PC, or out the window, not at the stranger sitting next to you.swing hangernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-57599965529433684942009-10-16T21:49:52.282-07:002009-10-16T21:49:52.282-07:00its only a matter of time. you'll come around...its only a matter of time. you'll come around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-28463710180281388882009-10-16T21:48:10.982-07:002009-10-16T21:48:10.982-07:00In that PA video I actually think I like the elev...In that PA video I actually think I like the elevated structure better than the retained fill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-81755379341511324782009-10-16T21:39:33.697-07:002009-10-16T21:39:33.697-07:00I think we have all already agreed that this is th...<i>I think we have all already agreed that this is the superior product and that is the one we will use here in california.</i><br /><br />No, you agreed that it's a superior product. The rest of us haven't.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-91305142592677579202009-10-16T21:36:49.227-07:002009-10-16T21:36:49.227-07:00@ Spooker - thanks for the link, great animation@ Spooker - thanks for the link, great animationflowmotionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-59353594291706952902009-10-16T20:45:02.802-07:002009-10-16T20:45:02.802-07:00I think we have all already agreed that this is t...I think we have all already agreed that <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4bwwr_alstom-agv_tech" rel="nofollow">this</a> is the superior product and that is the one we will use here in california. <br /><br />We did all agree on that right? I mean really, watch the video again. I mean they have the best ads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-29298647128716866872009-10-16T20:39:45.950-07:002009-10-16T20:39:45.950-07:00@yes onhsr - maybe we will learn this time.@yes onhsr - maybe we will learn this time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-55838744858154456822009-10-16T17:31:41.706-07:002009-10-16T17:31:41.706-07:00Last I checked the Shinkansens actually had rather...Last I checked the Shinkansens actually had rather generous legroom, with a seat pitch looser than that of the TGV, but with seats only about as wide as a 737's (some of the narrowest seats in the sky).<br /><br />The TGV has seats in coach that are about the same seat pitch as United's expanded-legroom "Economy Plus" seating, with seats wider than the widest coach airline seats but slightly skinnier than a typical business class seat.<br /><br />It's not clear if you would be able to fit TGV-width seats into a 2+3 configuration on a shinkansen without making the isles too skinny. I'm also not sure why the Japanese put up with skinnier seats but prefer quite generous legroom, by american domestic airline standards.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08878685680339441795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-34481124043460388252009-10-16T17:21:39.918-07:002009-10-16T17:21:39.918-07:00Right on Jim! every word is really true!Right on Jim! every word is really true!YESonHSRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-82998866117378289582009-10-16T16:44:19.854-07:002009-10-16T16:44:19.854-07:00Actually, I just checked, and the Velaro RUS has 2...Actually, I just checked, and the Velaro RUS has 2+2 seating. It's the Velaro CN that has 2+3. Mind you, the areas of China that have HSR are rich by Chinese standards and have average heights only about 1.5" lower than in the US...Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-28444516181816564422009-10-16T16:37:55.895-07:002009-10-16T16:37:55.895-07:00Russia has the same loading gauge as the US; so do...Russia has the same loading gauge as the US; so does China. The Velaro is 3.265 meters wide, whereas existing US passenger railcars are 3.2 m wide. Shinkansen cars are 3.38 m wide.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-50318350211810924402009-10-16T16:33:23.330-07:002009-10-16T16:33:23.330-07:00@Rafael
the Velaro RUS features Russian gauge (15...@Rafael<br /><br /><i>the Velaro RUS features Russian gauge (1520mm) bogies, which in turn permitted wider car bodies. That plus the wider loading gauge permitted five abreast seating.</i><br /><br />Not sure there's a link between gauge and car body width since AFAIK the chinese Velaro uses wide body cars as well but runs on standard gauge. The new Zefiro 380 for China is again wide body but on standard gauge tracks.Joeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16406340564037825796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-7792047519874428502009-10-16T16:28:44.168-07:002009-10-16T16:28:44.168-07:00The Roman empire..rose from nothing ruled the worl...The Roman empire..rose from nothing ruled the world then got fat and lazy and arrogant and its citizens became spoiled and only wanted Games and gore and yelled they paid to much in taxes ..sound the us?YESonHSRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-12872270235897941282009-10-16T15:48:35.815-07:002009-10-16T15:48:35.815-07:00Seating arrangements are chosen by the buyer, for ...Seating arrangements are chosen by the buyer, for trains as for planes. Before the TGV, trains in France were the same width as today but had a lot more free space and privacy.<br />When I travelled on the TGV for the first time, I did appreciate the speed and smoothness of the ride but I felt like being in a plane, not in a train, which for me is a negative point.<br />The interior arrangement of the TGV may be due to its history. In the early eighties people still liked flying. So, the SNCF gave them a plane on wheels, just a little bit more comfortable than the ones in the air.<br />I hope next-generation TGVs will do away with this plane-on-wheels image and feel more like trains.Andre Perettinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-9166227129593108412009-10-16T15:33:00.760-07:002009-10-16T15:33:00.760-07:00@ Alon Levy -
the Velaro RUS features Russian gau...@ Alon Levy -<br /><br />the Velaro RUS features Russian gauge (1520mm) bogies, which in turn permitted wider car bodies. That plus the wider loading gauge permitted five abreast seating.<br /><br />Average height factors into row spacing, perhaps that doesn't need to be much more generous than in Asia. Four abreast should be the target, though, even if relatively wide car bodies prove possible.Rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05471957286484454765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-63760454750921400222009-10-16T15:22:32.239-07:002009-10-16T15:22:32.239-07:00the average California resident is both taller and...<i>the average California resident is both taller and wider than the average person in East Asian.</i><br /><br />Americans are pretty fat, but they're not tall - they don't eat well enough for that. Nowadays the average Japanese is shorter than the average American by about 1.5" and the average Korean by about 0.5", and the gaps are shrinking. The average European is taller, especially in Germany, the Netherlands, and Scandinavia.<br /><br />In Russia, Siemens has successfully marketed the five-abreast Velaro to a population that is on average almost as tall as the US population, and in urban areas is much taller. In France, a population that's taller than the US population rides the cramped TGVs. In Germany, where the population is 2" taller than in the US and almost as fat, DB has bought Velaros as well.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-40032110966372136452009-10-16T14:49:44.878-07:002009-10-16T14:49:44.878-07:00I'm not letting americans off the hook for the...I'm not letting americans off the hook for their responsibility.<br /><br />Americans thought the cars were better than public transit<br /> Americans believed that you could make easy money in the stock martket instead of working for and saving it.<br />AMericans thought they could get rich buying houses without reading fine print.<br />Americans elected George Bush twice.<br />Americans were gun ho to go to war.<br />Americans sat back and charged themselves into a financial black hole.<br />Americans have acted in a irresponsible, greedy, financially unsound, manner for the past 30 years.<br />Americans have traded buying new infrastructure for ipods and video games and endless walmart shopping sprees.<br /><br />There has been a complete lack of accountability and responsibility - not by politicians but by the very american people who would rather play and shop than take the time to really face the tough issues at hand. <br /><br />The whole country is guilty so I am not shedding any tears for people who's fault it is that we are in this mess to begin with.<br />This started in the 80s, with a new me me me attitude, and demise of working towards a common good. ( with is now referred with much disdain as "socialism) <br />You wanted reaganomics and a free market and you got it so don't bitch. How's it working out?<br /><br />Bet you wish you had a good secure american union job with health care now huh?<br /><br />I knew this was coming when I was in my 20s back in the 80s. and I'ved waited two decades to say it...<br /><br />I told you so.<br /><br />Good luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com