tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post4976845549755594129..comments2023-10-30T09:03:07.163-07:00Comments on California High Speed Rail Blog: The Biggest Obstacle to HSR in CaliforniaRobert Cruickshankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06906581839066570472noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-33502660629772594602009-11-23T21:06:12.197-08:002009-11-23T21:06:12.197-08:00While the author makes valid arguments about the i...While the author makes valid arguments about the importance of a regional approach to planning, this is not how HSR conducted its scoping process. In particular, HSR's initial rail alignment out of downtown Los Angeles northward traversed three City of Los Angeles Specific Plans and the Los Angeles River Revitalization Master Plan, yet HSR 'planners' never reviewed these documents nor consulted with city officials before making their recommendations. Thus, this article appears to be nothing more than an argument to viscerate CEQA or gain CEQA exemption status so the high speed rail advocates 'win.' To suggest that the HSR Authority truly believes in a regional planning approach in light of its actions is rather disingenuous.ArroyoLoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13499975914895546126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-34557347558004753522009-11-22T16:22:02.384-08:002009-11-22T16:22:02.384-08:00Hey all aboard,
Do those judge judy participants c...Hey all aboard,<br />Do those judge judy participants come from the $3 million and up neighborhoods in Palo Alto? Well do they?<br /><br />Until the idiots that run the CHSRA figure out that the people that live on the peninsula are smarter than they are- they will continue to be bamboozled and befuddled by the opposition and its ability to mobilize.<br /><br />But keep trying to convince yourselves you are up against the 90 IQ judge judy crowd.... it serves our interests.Bay Area Residenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15807091317788242756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-75120196534565575862009-11-22T16:11:58.679-08:002009-11-22T16:11:58.679-08:00Hey Blowback- no worries, man. This train is impl...Hey Blowback- no worries, man. This train is imploding on CHSRA as we speak. The resistance (referred to as NIMBYs, here) is gaining steam not dissipating, the concerned towns go way beyond just Menlo Park and PA now. Diridon and his stupid cronies better get ready to pull a rabbit out of a hat. This train is DONE in the SF bay area.Bay Area Residenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15807091317788242756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-87772445727760424622009-11-22T16:07:42.188-08:002009-11-22T16:07:42.188-08:00Here comes another THURSDAY meeting in Sacramento ...Here comes another THURSDAY meeting in Sacramento (not this week, next week) with what, 500 peninsula and south bay speakers this time? There are dozens of carpools going, I hear. Standing room only, and not ONE person will be for the existing route I suspect.<br /><br />Not to worry Simitian and Morshed, you have your 10 million funding for "public relations" to save you. HA HA HA.Bay Area Residenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15807091317788242756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-25767096968713455962009-11-21T13:33:51.445-08:002009-11-21T13:33:51.445-08:00You actually think HSR will decrease your quality ...You actually think HSR will decrease your quality of life ... you're funny.Joeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16406340564037825796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-16610320502114578052009-11-21T12:04:34.279-08:002009-11-21T12:04:34.279-08:00ALL Aboard.
Menop Park etc. are hardly what we ca...ALL Aboard.<br /><br />Menop Park etc. are hardly what we call urban living... we are suburban<br />and we value our quality of life and you can take this train and shove it. (preferably where the sun doesn't shine)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-91550963799043171832009-11-20T22:15:05.858-08:002009-11-20T22:15:05.858-08:00Ah, my mistake.Ah, my mistake.Joeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16406340564037825796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-60639720649945709942009-11-20T20:57:26.920-08:002009-11-20T20:57:26.920-08:00urban living is noisy.urban living is noisy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-73041051216498618622009-11-20T17:47:23.626-08:002009-11-20T17:47:23.626-08:00Joey,
100db noise is 10^4 times stronger than 60d...Joey,<br /><br />100db noise is 10^4 times stronger than 60db noise. <br /><br />Anon,<br /><br />It would be nice if you can share the source of where you get 95-100db for TGV. I think there was a link to the studies for German ICE in this blog, which was also around 90-95db. <br /><br />BTW, standards in Japan for HSR is 75db for commercial/industrial area and 70db for residential area. I think current and new generation trainsets (AGV, Sephiro 380, E5, efSET 350, etc) should be able to achieve noise standards comparable to this with the assistance of soundwalls and other mitigation techniques at its full operating speed.K.T.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-6338174540998374712009-11-20T17:44:44.102-08:002009-11-20T17:44:44.102-08:00And 40% more than 100 dB is considered to cause pe...And 40% more than 100 dB is considered to cause permanent hearing damage without hearing protection.<br /><br />Joey, you're a rhetorical genius!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-68070619349312400322009-11-20T17:15:41.483-08:002009-11-20T17:15:41.483-08:00100 decibels? At what distance? AFAIK a standard...100 decibels? At what distance? AFAIK a standard conversation is about 60dB where your standing. 100 is about 40% more, which doesn't seem like that much.Joeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16406340564037825796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-458894562553657192009-11-20T16:40:09.964-08:002009-11-20T16:40:09.964-08:00220mph generates 95-100 decibels with a quality th...220mph generates 95-100 decibels with a quality that is a bit shocking.<br /><br />They tested a number of soundwall designs a couple of years ago when French TGV set speed record.<br /><br />The biggest noise reduction was 5 decibels. It is not nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-10988250531100966162009-11-20T15:31:14.132-08:002009-11-20T15:31:14.132-08:00Joey, the noise generated by an aerodynamic train ...Joey, the noise generated by an aerodynamic train at 200 km/h is pretty low. Those trains are engineered to be acceptably quiet on the platforms they bypass at 320 km/h; at 200, when the noise level is one quarter as much, it's a trivial issue.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-25458493908567355042009-11-20T15:08:19.491-08:002009-11-20T15:08:19.491-08:00It's called a sound wall. It works. If the p...It's called a sound wall. It works. If the people on the peninsula are so worried about noise, they should be advocating them too.Joeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16406340564037825796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-58799402140472245252009-11-20T14:35:16.463-08:002009-11-20T14:35:16.463-08:00Anon, the noise can be mitigated. Intermediate cit...Anon, the noise can be mitigated. Intermediate cities on the Sanyo Shinkansen have 10-12 trains passing at 300 km/h every hour, and soon intermediate cities on the Tohoku Shinkansen will have about 12-14 trains passing at 320 km/h every hour.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-41067574050112398672009-11-20T09:32:16.634-08:002009-11-20T09:32:16.634-08:00Jim,
According to the latest operational plan, th...Jim,<br /><br />According to the latest operational plan, there will be 16 trains per hour passing through Fresno. While 8 of those will stop in Fresno, 8 will not and will go at 220 mph.<br /><br />A train at 220 mph every 7 1/2 minutes....<br /><br />That's a great way to revive a downtown area which already suffers from 2 freight corridors. According to the stimulus application, they will NOT necessarily be grade separating the freight lines.<br /><br /><br /><br />http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/images/chsr/20090810133659_BoardPrezAug09vprint.pdf page 14Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-3920436731142713222009-11-20T07:48:27.087-08:002009-11-20T07:48:27.087-08:00The majority of trains will stop in frenso and wil...The majority of trains will stop in frenso and will not run thru town at that speed and the ones that do will be during daylight business hours anyway. There won't be any express trains going thru fresno at midnight, or at 7am on a sunday morning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-74096992206649534592009-11-20T07:21:30.549-08:002009-11-20T07:21:30.549-08:00Rafael-
Usually you make sense. Sometimes too muc...Rafael-<br /><br />Usually you make sense. Sometimes too much sense.<br /><br />But this:<br /><br />"Folks in Palo Alto simply couldn't be bothered. That's their right also, but to then blame CHSRA.."<br /><br />is bizarre and ridiculous.<br /><br />The groundswell of concern that has occurred since REAL notification (postcards to all households along route, meetings with diagrams of vertical elevations) would seem to indicate the opposite.<br /><br />What is your theory about how before they couldn't be bothered but since January and the postcards there were near riots at every public meeting on the topic?<br /><br />I think it is safe to say that public notification, such as it was, is case study of inadequate.<br /><br />The big problem with notification is now Central Valley - where only a small group of people that DOES NOT include the media - understand the Rail Authority's obsession that the trains will go through at 220. They have no concept of the 10 mile elevated structures planned for their town.<br /><br />Those are plans that could use some constructive feedback.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-57255698532781364572009-11-20T01:11:15.337-08:002009-11-20T01:11:15.337-08:00I want everyone to watch a few episodes of peoples...I want everyone to watch a few episodes of peoples court and judge judy and such, and you will see, what the american people have become, and how they deal with things now. those people on those shows, I see them everywheeeerrrre. I mean they are stupid. Thats the only word for it. ( how stupid to you have to be to take your " I got him a cell phone and he didnt pay the bill waaaaahhhhhh" drama, up on tv so everyone can see how dumb you are.?)<br />Well, when I think of today's "typical californian" THAT is the image in my head, cuz thats all I ever seem to see, its like a parade.<br /><br />ok ok forget it. Just give em some candy or vodka or cash or something and get em out of the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-30845595095507603122009-11-20T01:05:29.750-08:002009-11-20T01:05:29.750-08:00or we could put the nimbys in glass tubes...
Let ...or we could put the nimbys in glass tubes...<br /><br />Let me just point out what goes on now, and it has to stop. We have raised a nation of babies. big fat stupid helpless victim babies.<br /><br />Take any given community, okay, they go on about their business, and likely, on their own, wouldn't give a second thought one way or another, to changes that go on around them, except that now, you the media, and people with agendas, who benefit from stirring up ****. they get folks whipped into this " oh my god we are victims and some one better pay attention to us or we're gonna throw a fit" frenzy.<br /><br />Its an automatic response now with everything, no one can propose anything anywhere no matter what it is, without people over reacting.<br /><br />Now some things, like say, fighting segregation or protesting the bombing of chilfren, etc, sure, that warrants a reaction.<br /><br />But now, its de rigueur, to scream and stomp your feet over just EVERYTHING. <br />believe me, not a day goes by that some group is yelling and screaming outside my building about some perceived injustice. <br /><br />There used to be this song that went like this<br /><br />"I beg your pardon, I never promised you a rose garden."<br /><br />Translated into today's language, "Get over it"<br /><br />All I can say to the opponents who are older than me, shame you, you people were raised by the ww2 and you should know better than to bitch and whine about everything.<br /><br />And the rest of the opposition is going to come from minorities once lawyers whip them into " its racsim and we are gonna sue and get money" frenzy.<br /><br />Im right. I watch this bs go on over and over again in california now.<br /><br />35 million people and about 25 million of them have lost, or never had an ounce of common sense.<br /><br />Just get out for christ sake. Take you loser behinds to some loser state and quit draggin the rest of down. You're really starting to affect the curve. <br />remember those cats on the porch I told you about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-11730341093691636552009-11-20T00:48:52.723-08:002009-11-20T00:48:52.723-08:00@rafael There are no space-age materials that are ...@rafael <i>There are no space-age materials that are exceptionally good at absorbing sound. It's not really a problem in outer space ;^)</i><br /><br />maybe not now, but just wait till those crazy college kids start celebrating spring break up there, NASA better get to work on some.<br /><br />Okay how bout we put the trains in glass tubes through sensitive areas, that way they're enclosed but you still get light in and out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-25673681622962637032009-11-19T17:15:34.047-08:002009-11-19T17:15:34.047-08:00@ Blowback -
no, I'm not an apologist for CHS...@ Blowback -<br /><br />no, I'm not an apologist for CHSRA. I do criticize them when they do stuff I believe they should have done better.<br /><br />Could they have done even more to reach out to the public at the program level? Could they have done so more effectively with a better web site and better drawings/3D models of what they were basing their cost estimates on? Perhaps, if they had been given the funding they asked for but were denied by Gov. Schwarzenegger.<br /><br />That does not excuse the lack of involvement by many - far from all - property owners near the tracks. Folks in Atherton and Menlo Park certainly knew about the project, they organized locally in an effort to oppose it. That's their right and they exercised it.<br /><br />Folks in Palo Alto simply couldn't be bothered. That's their right also, but to then blame CHSRA for that strikes me as revisionist history. The Caltrain corridor was chosen as the preferred route through the SF peninsula as far back as 2004. Why anyone would think that decision was still up in the air in 2008 is beyond me.<br /><br />For an overview of the CHSRA outreach effort for the Bay Area to Central Valley Program EIS/EIR, already a redo in response to complaints about the Altamont vs. Pacheco decision-making process, see <a href="http://cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/images/chsr/20080523141427_Ch%2010%20Public%20Outreach.pdf" rel="nofollow">chapter 10</a> of the report.<br /><br />Be honest: when you first heard of a high speed rail project from SF to LA, did you bother to find out who the planning agency was and ask to be put on it mailing list or in some other way attempt to find out more? It's <i>your</i> property at stake, did it not occur to you that a new rail service might use an existing, active rail right of way nearby?Rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05471957286484454765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-45826029802155663772009-11-19T15:43:00.052-08:002009-11-19T15:43:00.052-08:00That's supposed to read "You can't af...That's supposed to read "You can't afford a decent feedback system without FUNDING".Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-44592113044905523692009-11-19T15:42:14.380-08:002009-11-19T15:42:14.380-08:00You can't afford a decent feedback system with...You can't afford a decent feedback system without finding. With Republicans having a veto over the budget, the only way to fund a large project like this is using bonds. The only way to get a bond measure is to have a firm plan. <br /><br />So it's kind of a catch-22Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-40031891739604222802009-11-19T15:40:14.597-08:002009-11-19T15:40:14.597-08:00Hey, Rafael, I am not trying to get a project buil...Hey, Rafael, I am not trying to get a project built. CHSRA's deceptive tactics and their own public misinformation strategy are backfiring on them.<br /><br />And to return your ad hominem attack, you're a sad apologist for CHSRA.Blowbacknoreply@blogger.com