tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post6904979508836816538..comments2023-10-30T09:03:07.163-07:00Comments on California High Speed Rail Blog: How Others Did It: Rail Is Back in PerthRobert Cruickshankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06906581839066570472noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-28700018684714610082009-10-01T09:47:58.751-07:002009-10-01T09:47:58.751-07:00also "freedom" is a word that means forc...<i>also "freedom" is a word that means forcing developers to devote so much valuable commercial real estate to parking that it is in such over-supply that the parking space is then provided to motorists "for free"</i><br /><br />for just a split second I thought you were gonna say...<br /><br />Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose,<br />Nothing don’t mean nothing honey if it ain’t free, now now.<br />And feeling good was easy, Lord, when he sang the blues,<br />You know feeling good was good enough for me,<br />Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee....<br /><br /><br /><i>Instead, they seem to think that debating online is supposed to be like one of those meaningless shouting matches on one of those meaningless cable infotainment networks.</i><br /><br />In olden times, back in the 70s and 80s there was no such thing as the interweb, and people a) didn't really know anything, and b) had no way to tell the world that they didn't know anything. SO there was no shouting and it was lot quieter in those days. We could broadcast our ignorance to close friends and neighbors.<br /><br /><br />I must beg getting old lol cuz I long for the days when we still had our black dial telephone, no microwave, you had to go to the bank between 10-2 m-f no atms. and mastercard and visa were known as mastercharge and bankamericard.<br /><br />... and there were only channels 2,4,5,7,9,13 and 36,44, and 56.<br /><br />seriously I tried to figure out how to twitter,, forget it. waaaay over my head. lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-54771733050309032512009-10-01T08:40:28.712-07:002009-10-01T08:40:28.712-07:00jim said...
"@bruce - you can't use big c...jim said...<br />"<i>@bruce - you can't use big complicated thought out explanations like that. Don't you realize that trains only go in straight lines and they don't take anyone where they want to go?</i>"<br /><br />Also all trains serve the same transport task, also massive subsidies of suburban driving do not exist, despite appearing in black and white in publicly available records, also "freedom" is a word that means forcing developers to devote so much valuable commercial real estate to parking that it is in such over-supply that the parking space is then provided to motorists "for free", which means paid for <b><i>without choice</i></b> by everyone who uses the commercial establishment.<br /><br />That is, supposing "realize" is short for "seeing anti-rail advocates make shit up while ignoring reality because it leads to the conclusions they already decided on in advance".<br /><br />But Toy Cars for the Boys lamented the lack of debate, which means that Toy Cars for the Boys is willing to have his claims subjected to critique for logical flaw and factual error.<br /><br />And I also lament the lack of debate - all too often anti-rail advocates come here to post repeats of bullshit that has been debunked numerous times already and then flee. And when they don't flee, they so rarely actually <i>respond</i> with a logically coherent, factually grounded <i>argument</i>.<br /><br />Instead, they seem to think that debating online is supposed to be like one of those meaningless shouting matches on one of those meaningless cable infotainment networks.BruceMcFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08502035881761277885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-59114842883508968202009-10-01T07:16:24.317-07:002009-10-01T07:16:24.317-07:00@ DUMMMAMMERICAN -
I deleted your comment because...@ DUMMMAMMERICAN -<br /><br />I deleted your comment because it was ad hominem and sexually explicit.<br /><br />This blog is intended for civilized and substantive discussion of HSR issues.Rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05471957286484454765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-4356114001108189212009-10-01T00:02:55.258-07:002009-10-01T00:02:55.258-07:00"HSR will not be dropping most people off thi...<i>"HSR will not be dropping most people off thirty miles from where they need to be "</i><br /><br />and studies do in fact show that 4 out 5 californians live and work exactly 30 miles from the nearest train station.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-23535424027248234512009-09-30T23:21:09.221-07:002009-09-30T23:21:09.221-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.DUMMMAMMERICANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-66363865874909839432009-09-30T23:16:02.243-07:002009-09-30T23:16:02.243-07:00@bruce - you can't use big complicated thought...@bruce - you can't use big complicated thought out explanations like that. Don't you realize that trains only go in straight lines and they don't take anyone where they want to go?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-88568991156861805052009-09-30T18:49:52.672-07:002009-09-30T18:49:52.672-07:00Anonymous said...
""HSR will not be dro...Anonymous said...<br /><br />"<i>"HSR will not be dropping most people off thirty miles from where they need to be without offering them a public transit option to get there"<br /><br />Oh really? Well it doesn't exit today, so is HSR funding this vast door to door public transportation network too?</i>"<br /><br />Remember that its only a major factor at the destination station, and substantial local public transport systems actually do exist at most of the key destination stations.<br /><br />For a suburbanite in the hinterland of an HSRail station, driving to a suburban HSRail station is more convenient than driving to an airport, because the massive stopover time penalty of airplanes prevents the multi-stop services that are provided efficiently be trains, so there are more stations, so there is a station closer to the average suburbanite than an airport with an equivalent level of service.<br /><br />And it is indeed no uncommon that when a suburbanite in a suburb is making an inter-regional trip, it is to a city - it is at times cities that have the destination that are not available in the local suburb.<br /><br />Of course, this does require an ability to break free of one-size-fits-all thinking and realize that there are a range of reasons for making inter-regional trips, and a range of transport options each with their own distinctive advantages will result in some trips better suited to one mode and other trips better suited to another mode.<br /><br />In the end, the fight against making a full range of modern inter-regional transport choices available is a fight against freedom of choice.BruceMcFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08502035881761277885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-4027693798573057572009-09-30T18:45:55.159-07:002009-09-30T18:45:55.159-07:00Anonymous said...
""HSR will not be dro...Anonymous said...<br /><br />"<i>"HSR will not be dropping most people off thirty miles from where they need to be without offering them a public transit option to get there"<br /><br />Oh really? Well it doesn't exit today, so is HSR funding this vast door to door public transportation network too?</i>"<br /><br />Remember that its only a major factor at the destination station, and substantial local public transport systems actually do exist at most of the key destination stations.<br /><br />For a suburbanite in the hinterland of an HSRail station, driving to a suburban HSRail station is more convenient than driving to an airport, because the massive stopover time penalty of airplanes prevents the multi-stop services that are provided efficiently be trains, so there are more stations, so there is a station closer to the average suburbanite than an airport with an equivalent level of service.BruceMcFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08502035881761277885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-18237852290402303342009-09-30T16:56:35.473-07:002009-09-30T16:56:35.473-07:00Rafael, yes, energy cannot be produced. Again, I u...Rafael, yes, energy cannot be produced. Again, I used imprecise terminology.<br /><br />Not only was thermodynamics ten years ago for me, but it was in German, so something is bound to get lost in the translation. Please forgive my lax use of terms.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326948451529910432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-1298954762895797232009-09-30T15:17:23.249-07:002009-09-30T15:17:23.249-07:00@ Peter -
energy cannot be produced at all, it ca...@ Peter -<br /><br />energy cannot be produced at all, it can only be converted from one form into another.<br /><br />In 1989, two US physicists (Pons and Fleischman) claimed to have found a cold fusion process that converted mass into photons, something E = mc^2 does permit. Unfortunately, their specific claim was subsequently <a href="http://partners.nytimes.com/library/national/science/050399sci-cold-fusion.html" rel="nofollow">debunked</a>.Rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05471957286484454765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-55444500392607239472009-09-30T15:00:49.758-07:002009-09-30T15:00:49.758-07:00Where does transit currently get its state and fed...<i>Where does transit currently get its state and federal funding?</i><br /><br />From fares. The New York City Subway recovers <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1215/is_7_205/ai_n6150069/" rel="nofollow">67% of its costs</a> at the farebox. Much of the rest comes from a dedicated payroll tax and some government money (funded by income taxes). Bridge tolls are only a small part of this - and on the whole the bridges compete with the subway more than they fund it.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-69285795387795017292009-09-30T14:24:07.335-07:002009-09-30T14:24:07.335-07:00@ Rafael
Yes, I know. I didn't have the time ...@ Rafael<br /><br />Yes, I know. I didn't have the time to do the research to see whether it had been debunked yet. Although given that we aren't using the process large-scale yet, I assumed it had in fact been debunked.<br /><br />Side-note: If in fact said process did in fact produce more energy than the activation energy, wouldn't the water be considered fuel?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326948451529910432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-77075545044561782892009-09-30T14:18:06.991-07:002009-09-30T14:18:06.991-07:00@ dave, Peter -
the fuel isn't the water. It&...@ dave, Peter -<br /><br />the fuel isn't the water. It's the electricity used to generate the radio waves. The overall process is incredibly inefficient, that's ok for medical but not for transportation applications.<br /><br />As always, please engage grey matter. Conservation of energy and the production of entropy in real-world loop processes are basic high school physics.Rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05471957286484454765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-37985601277472969352009-09-30T13:48:49.655-07:002009-09-30T13:48:49.655-07:00Oh really? Well it doesn't exit today, so is H...<i>Oh really? Well it doesn't exit today, so is HSR funding this vast door to door public transportation network too? And about how much will that cost?</i><br /><br />California already has decent monocentric rail. If you want to go to LA Union Station or Downtown SF, transit can get you there. You may not know it, but both LA and SF have more subway route-km than Lyon, where lack of transit options never hampered the TGV.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-90942954031743331302009-09-30T13:37:41.816-07:002009-09-30T13:37:41.816-07:00and the hsr core will automatically vastly improve...and the hsr core will automatically vastly improve travel times for the entire state system by hours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-46021795344191787802009-09-30T13:36:50.063-07:002009-09-30T13:36:50.063-07:00bossyman - exactly that is already in the long r...bossyman - exactly that is already in the long range plan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-64424310973228944502009-09-30T13:28:21.449-07:002009-09-30T13:28:21.449-07:00jim @ 1:19 PM
connecting plus hsr
how can this no...jim @ 1:19 PM<br /><br /><i>connecting plus hsr<br />how can this not be useful?<br /></i><br />it would be useful if those amtrak routes are vastly improved. higher speed, shorter trips.bossyman15https://www.blogger.com/profile/04434928402545599443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-32825152822236662392009-09-30T13:19:28.563-07:002009-09-30T13:19:28.563-07:00connecting plus hsr
how can this not be usefule?connecting plus <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=106369591048698553426.000474d0f9f96821882c6&ll=39.35129,-112.280273&spn=13.615998,27.839355&z=6" rel="nofollow">hsr</a><br /><br />how can this not be usefule?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-74597836738357188122009-09-30T13:00:43.143-07:002009-09-30T13:00:43.143-07:00As best i can imagine that "water fuel cell&q...<i>As best i can imagine that "water fuel cell" must have several batteries to preform the electrolysis of the water.</i><br /><br />And if you're performing electrolysis onboard, then you might as well just use the electricity you're using for that to run the electric motor your fuel cell is powering.<br /><br />Batteries are going to be a better source of electrical storage than fuel cells + fuel tanks for a while.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08878685680339441795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-90209089777903511092009-09-30T12:58:31.452-07:002009-09-30T12:58:31.452-07:00connecting the stateconnecting the <a href="http://www.amtrak.com/images/maps/California_Trains-Thruways-2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">state</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-81360946689330978722009-09-30T12:56:59.893-07:002009-09-30T12:56:59.893-07:00there's a whole world of other folks out there...<i>there's a whole world of other folks out there who don't live your particular lifestyle and this will serve them if not you.</i><br /><br />I think it's also important to remember that the ridership projections, the ones that the deniers keep saying are inflated BS (though most have never bothered to read the reports), actually say that after HSR is built, the majority of people will still drive for inter-regional trips. The point is the number of people making those trips is so large that even capturing a relatively small slice of those represents something like twice as many trips as they expect to attract from flights.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08878685680339441795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-87827223834044766432009-09-30T12:51:34.307-07:002009-09-30T12:51:34.307-07:00As best i can imagine that "water fuel cell&q...As best i can imagine that "water fuel cell" must have several batteries to preform the electrolysis of the water. That is going to create a lot of excess weight and result in ground pollution when the lead-acid batteries die and get tossed in the landfill (right next to all the Prius batteries)<br /><br />Regular 'ole hydrogen fuel cells are more efficient but don't get the sexy (though bullshit) moniker of being "water powered". About as grounded in reality as GM saying the Volt gets 230mpg - horseshit.<br /><br />As far as fuel economy goes, diesel, specifically direct-injection turbo-diesel is going to be the way forward for at least the next decade. <br /><br />As for a real hydrogen car:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7<br /><br />you got an extra $120,000 laying around?johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-51676972086724048742009-09-30T12:05:16.025-07:002009-09-30T12:05:16.025-07:00anon,
I've traveled all over the state and us...anon,<br /><br />I've traveled all over the state and used local public transit. Even the smallest of towns have it.<br /><br />I currently book people via slow train, and thruway bus service to every corner of the state and I have lists of all the local connecting transit.<br /><br />YOu don't know what you are talking about.<br /><br />The state of california already has as a goal, to make the state more connected thats why the state put in the thruway feeder system.<br /><br />YOu are thinking only of your own lifestyle and preferences and disregarding those of millions of other californians who not only use, but rely on, transit in cities and towns of every size throughout the state. These local agencies get federal funds and combine them with local taxes per local voters wishes, to provide these services.<br /><br />With HSR as a core, amtrak california 9 and metrolink/coaster/caltrain etc) as an intermediate and feeder, the statewide thruway system, and the local agencies that exist in nearly every burg statewide it will make californians for more mobile and connected.<br /><br />Southwest isn't gonna do it and neither is greyhound.<br /><br />I know who these people are and I know what they want, where they are going, and what they are doing when they get there and contrary to your vision of what it means to live in california, there's a whole world of other folks out there who don't live your particular lifestyle and this will serve them if not you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-48730727727306663512009-09-30T11:42:10.332-07:002009-09-30T11:42:10.332-07:00@ Anon
Well, for one, the bonds measure will in f...@ Anon<br /><br />Well, for one, the bonds measure will in fact be funding development of public transportation to improve accessibility to HSR. I believe 900 million is allotted to that.<br /><br />Most of those "suburban" towns you're referring to won't be served directly with HSR, but towns like Fresno and Bakersfield already have bus networks in place that will of course have to optimized and expanded. I believe that process is already taking place.<br /><br />The major stations for HSR already have extensive links to public transit options: Metrolink, LA transit agencies, Caltrain, BART, MUNI, Sprinter, VTA buses and light rail, etc.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326948451529910432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-48755759079094579872009-09-30T11:30:53.495-07:002009-09-30T11:30:53.495-07:00"HSR will not be dropping most people off thi..."HSR will not be dropping most people off thirty miles from where they need to be without offering them a public transit option to get there"<br /><br />Oh really? Well it doesn't exit today, so is HSR funding this vast door to door public transportation network too? And about how much will that cost? Or are you just talking about some big huge long term parking garages installed in the middle of suburban small towns which you're kindly planning on remodeling to turn in to these airport-like transportation hubs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com