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Unfortunately, some mistakes are built to last."<BR/><BR/>That's more or less what the Coalition for a One Stop Terminal (COST) was advocating. But Quentin Kopp insisted that BART itself go into the airport.<BR/><BR/>For a while, BART mothballed the San Bruno-Millbrae leg of the wye. Now they're using that leg but have mothballed the Millbrae-SFO leg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-46888176272352241352008-07-08T22:27:00.000-07:002008-07-08T22:27:00.000-07:00@ michael kiesling, mike -politics and money aside...@ michael kiesling, mike -<BR/><BR/>politics and money aside, I don't know if the air train could handle the gradient of the track. In retrospect, it would have been much smarter to terminate the BART line in San Bruno at a three-level intermodal station with Caltrain and the SFO Air Train. Unfortunately, some mistakes are built to last.<BR/><BR/>Once passenger traffic is heavy enough, I expect BART will simply resume its shuttle service between SFO and Millbrae. An alternative would be to have trains bound for SFO stop at Millbrae on the outbound leg and vice versa. Either way, it's inconvenient because passengers arriving on Caltrain or HSR will have to change trains twice to reach their terminal and purchase a BART ticket at a vending machine. That means airlines cannot include this short but essential shuttle trip on a paperless e-ticket covering both the flight and connecting HSR or Caltrain service.Rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05471957286484454765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-53636238915523576862008-07-08T20:07:00.000-07:002008-07-08T20:07:00.000-07:00Let us keep in the back of our minds... people are...Let us keep in the back of our minds... people are not destined to airports, they are destined to a city (think urban core).<BR/><BR/>People should avoid prioritizing HSR linked to airports over city centers. If it's conveinent, fine. HSR-airport connections being linked by other rail is fine too.Brandon in Californiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14796810137823230737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-1314670774673175712008-07-08T19:14:00.000-07:002008-07-08T19:14:00.000-07:00@ nikko pigman -the light rail line you refer term...@ nikko pigman -<BR/><BR/>the light rail line you refer terminates quite some distance from the Norwalk Metrolink station, which will also be a secondary HSR station. It will not be served by nearly as many trains as LA Union Station. Now that the Alameda Corridor carries virtually all of the freight rail traffic from the ports as far as downtown LA, it might be possible to plan a proper <A HREF="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=107511680599374219842.00044c1aaaeedf4b0e6ee&z=12" REL="nofollow">LAX shuttle train</A>.Rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05471957286484454765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-74416308117702801862008-07-08T16:47:00.000-07:002008-07-08T16:47:00.000-07:00Gotta say I had the same initial reaction as Micha...Gotta say I had the same initial reaction as Michael - why not convert the stupid Millbrae-SFO structure into Air Train if HSR passes. BART isn't even using it now anyway. One problem, however, is that I think there are only two tracks in the ridiculously unnecessary tunnel that runs from Center St. to Millbrae Intermodal. Realistically you might need to put the Air Train above ground for that section...which means more fights with the NIMBYs, though adding some rubber tired vehicles really won't make any meaningful contribution to noise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-23419102170462994112008-07-08T11:20:00.000-07:002008-07-08T11:20:00.000-07:00SFO can be tied in to Caltrain/HSR if they recycle...SFO can be tied in to Caltrain/HSR if they recycle the now-unused Millbrae-SFO leg of the BART wye for use by SFO's Airtrain. And it's SFO that has flights everywhere, and lots of them. <BR/><BR/>If you're realistically gonna get the greatest synergy between HSR and air, it's gonna be at SFO. SFO is an established international airport. Palmdale is ..... and Ontario isn't in the first phase of the system, nor is it an international hub.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-36107025670986179722008-07-08T11:05:00.000-07:002008-07-08T11:05:00.000-07:00rafael - There's currently a light rail line that ...rafael - There's currently a light rail line that passes near LAX but doesn't go into it. There are plans to make a branch line into the airport so people don't need to be shuttled to the light rail station.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-63061445934253613432008-07-08T00:04:00.000-07:002008-07-08T00:04:00.000-07:00United Airlines already leverages the French TGV n...United Airlines already leverages the French TGV network for its transatlantic flights into Paris CDG via the GroundLink service.<BR/><BR/>The German railroad operator DB uses its ICE trains to provide connecting service from Frankfurt/Main to Cologne, Hamburg, Berlin etc. The stations have IATA codes, so it should be possible to buy the train tickets via the international airline reservation systems (I haven't tried).<BR/><BR/>In Holland and Austria - possibly other countries as well - you can at least handle flight check-in and baggage drop-off at selected train stations. Security is still handled at the airports.<BR/><BR/>In the UK, Europe's only deregulated train operations market, the Virgin group already operates intercity trains along the West Coast. If High Speed 2 becomes a reality, it's a fair bet they will pursue a franchise to offer their airline customers connecting intercity train service as a package deal - much like Air France is now considering.<BR/><BR/>However, one feature is absolutely worth pointing out: London Heathrow Terminal 5, Paris CDG, Frankfurt/Main, Amsterdam Schiphol, Vienna Schwechat - quite possibly others - all have train stations that are co-located with the airport terminals. There is no clunky shuttle service between the airport terminal and rail station buildings, which greatly facilitates selling the intermodal connectivity as an asset.<BR/><BR/>In the California system, only Palmdale and Ontario airport will offer similar convenience. CHSRA opted to run its tracks through downtown Merced rather than into Castle Airport in Atwater, which could support long-haul flights. SFO has a BART station, but getting there from Millbrae is cumbersome. LAX is over 30 miles from LA Union Station and afaik there are no plans for a fast, punctual and direct heavy rail shuttle between them.Rafaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05471957286484454765noreply@blogger.com