tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post2474408806439230171..comments2023-10-30T09:03:07.163-07:00Comments on California High Speed Rail Blog: Ashburn Keeps Trying to Kill HSRRobert Cruickshankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06906581839066570472noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-64549080290782110442008-08-06T17:24:00.000-07:002008-08-06T17:24:00.000-07:00"spokker, the way Prop 1 is worded, LA-SF will ind..."spokker, the way Prop 1 is worded, LA-SF will indeed be the first portion built and opened."<BR/><BR/>I know, but my question is, if prop 1 passes, is there still a chance that a high speed rail line will not be built in California?<BR/><BR/>If that happens, where does the money go? Does it just not get borrowed? Does it get diverted to other projects?Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-8993667291121916072008-08-06T14:46:00.000-07:002008-08-06T14:46:00.000-07:00From editorial page of the Orange County Register ...From editorial page of the Orange County Register today: <BR/><BR/>Rail bond should be derailed<BR/>High-speed train finance measure deserves to lose in November<BR/><BR/>By JON COUPAL<BR/>president, Howard Jarvis Taxpeyers Association<BR/><BR/>Few proposals on the November ballot make as little sense as Proposition. 1, the so-called High Speed Rail initiative. Why is Prop. 1 so bad?<BR/><BR/>Let's count the ways: First, Prop. 1 is a boondoggle that will cost taxpayers nearly $20 billion in principal and interest. Taxpayers will foot this bill – it's not "free money." According to the measure (Article 3, Section 2704.10). "[T]he full faith and credit of the state of California is hereby pledged for the punctual payment of both principal of, and interest on, the bonds" <BR/><BR/>This measure will take $20 billion out of the state's general fund over the life of the bonds. That's over $2,000 for an average family of four.<BR/><BR/>Second, California can't afford higher budget deficits. With our budget crisis, billions in red ink, pending cuts to health care, the poor, parks and schools, now is not the time to add another $20 billion in state debt and interest. The state already has over $100 billion in voter-approved bonds, and our bond rating is already among the worst in the nation. This could lower it further.<BR/><BR/>Third, there are much better uses for taxpayer dollars. California has higher priorities than this $20 billion boondoggle. What would $20 billion buy?<BR/><BR/>•22,000 new teachers, firefighters or law enforcement personnel for 10 years.<BR/><BR/>•Health care for all children in the state for many years.<BR/><BR/>•An updated California water system to provide a reliable supply of safe, clean water.<BR/><BR/>•An upgraded and expanded existing transportation system including roads and transit throughout California, which would really reduce traffic and carbon emissions.<BR/><BR/>Fourth, there is no accountability in Prop. 1. Politicians and bureaucrats will control the money. There is not one citizen member on the new "finance committee." They are all politicians and bureaucrats. There are no reporting requirements so the public can see how the money is spent. No independent, outside audit is required.<BR/><BR/>Fifth, As bad as Prop. 1 is, it still would be only a fraction of the cost of the entire project – a blank check for more government waste. The total cost is estimated to be over $40 billion and some experts expect it to reach $100 billion ($10,000 for the average family of four).<BR/><BR/>Section 1(d) says the bond funds are "intended to encourage the federal government and the private sector to make significant contribution toward the construction." Note the word "encourage." <BR/><BR/><BR/>That's bureaucratic language for, "We will spend taxpayer money regardless of whether we ever get a penny from the private sector or the federal government." In fact, $58 million in taxpayer money already has been spent on this project and not one foot of track has been laid. Now they want us to trust them with $10 billion more.<BR/><BR/>Sixth, Prop. 1 reflects the worst kind of special-interest promotions. The Association for California High Speed Trains is promoting this boondoggle. Their Board represents out-of-state special interests (France, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, New York City, Texas and Illinois), many of whom stand to make millions if this measure passes.<BR/><BR/>Finally, even if one thinks that high-speed rail projects hold promise for the future, Prop. 1's plan is still only half-baked. Indeed, even though the language of Prop. 1 is set for the November ballot, there is a bill currently pending in the Legislature that proponents are trying to jam through that would alter the original plan in many substantive areas.<BR/><BR/>Prop. 1 is simply not ready for prime time.<BR/><BR/>http://www.ocregister.com/articles/billion-prop-california-2115464-state-moneyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-41525858089256817382008-08-06T12:16:00.000-07:002008-08-06T12:16:00.000-07:00Advocates for this project should think about who ...Advocates for this project should think about who is joining in the lawsuit. PCL is one of the most admired environmental groups in the State and has been responsible for a lot of excellent legislation.<BR/><BR/> The pro Rail groups joining in the suit, as they have been trying to explain, support High Speed Rail; they don't support this project. <BR/><BR/> Senator Ashburn pleading to delay Prop 1 on Monday,finished his presentation with an elegant summation. I have posted the <A HREF="http://derailhsr.com/main/2008/08/06/listen-to-senator-ashburn-brilliant-remarks-on-sb-298/" REL="nofollow">audio</A> to our website. Its worth listening to for anyone interested in the project. Its not very long.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-44712475951973804772008-08-06T11:16:00.000-07:002008-08-06T11:16:00.000-07:00spokker, the way Prop 1 is worded, LA-SF will inde...spokker, the way Prop 1 is worded, LA-SF will indeed be the first portion built and opened.<BR/><BR/>As to the lawsuit, that will be the topic of today's post. Although I don't know if I can top nikko's short and sweet response.Robert Cruickshankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06906581839066570472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-25512892267499223432008-08-06T10:41:00.000-07:002008-08-06T10:41:00.000-07:00Thank you Morris, for putting your personal intere...Thank you Morris, for putting your personal interests ahead of the rest of the state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-42284700889429155222008-08-06T09:58:00.000-07:002008-08-06T09:58:00.000-07:00MB 10:28,What a bunch of selfish, NIMBY B.S.!! Th...MB 10:28,<BR/>What a bunch of selfish, NIMBY B.S.!! There's frankly no other way to put it. A lawsuit from a spoiled few trying to thwart progress for the rest of us. Well,<BR/>hopefully your lawsuit dies on a vine so that this state can move into the future with high-speed rail. MB, isn't loud, lumbering, smog belching Caltrain already in your backyard? Wouldn't Caltrain be better if it was electrified, grade-separated, and fenced off for safety? Robert, please tell us that this stupid, frivolous lawsuit will go nowhere.Tony D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03392232221747908883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-65080968617601839972008-08-06T01:15:00.000-07:002008-08-06T01:15:00.000-07:00Hey Cruickshank, if this bond passes does that mea...Hey Cruickshank, if this bond passes does that mean construction will definitely start on the SF-LA segment, or is construction contingent on something else? <BR/><BR/>If the bond measure passes, could that still mean no HSR, at least for SF-LA?Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-43785663602057031292008-08-05T22:43:00.000-07:002008-08-05T22:43:00.000-07:00Glad to see you have found a good hobby for your r...Glad to see you have found a good hobby for your retirement Morris, good for you. Proof an old fuddy-dud really can screw it up for the rest of us.<BR/><BR/>How many people from the east side of 101 Menlo Park at your meeting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-70176570100057540232008-08-05T22:28:00.000-07:002008-08-05T22:28:00.000-07:00As noted on our website, the City of Menlo Park an...As <A HREF="http://derailhsr.com/main/2008/08/06/menlo-park-and-atherton-vote-to-join-in-ceqa-lawsuit/" REL="nofollow">noted on our website</A>, the City of Menlo Park and Town of Atherton councils both voted this evening to join in a CEQA lawsuit to invalidate the EIR/EIS for the High Speed Rail project. The legal action will be filed very shortly. will be filed shortly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-81101183381319920082008-08-05T21:17:00.000-07:002008-08-05T21:17:00.000-07:00Give your Senator a call about HSR..I just did..To...Give your Senator a call about HSR..I just did..Tommorrow call Senator NO-RAIL and tell him to stop playing games!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-75338250339059978922008-08-05T18:13:00.000-07:002008-08-05T18:13:00.000-07:00What people need to do is start calling and making...What people need to do is start calling and making your sure he knows The PEOPLE want this system.not his ideolgy thought! It is time for a MARCH!!! in Sac and <BR/>bakersfield!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-69242347780588662642008-08-05T16:11:00.000-07:002008-08-05T16:11:00.000-07:00Ashburn is being irresponsible about our future. ...Ashburn is being irresponsible about our future. He's also one of the many republicans blockign progress on the state budget.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to see recall efforts on some of these politicians.... b/c they are being too partisan and not workign with others to solve these critical problems.<BR/><BR/>If Ashburn and others have not heard, we need an efofrt similar to mobilizing for war to fight our dependance on foreign oil and global warming. <BR/><BR/>What is Ashburn and other State republican's doing? They are sympisizing with the enemy by delaying mobilization efforts.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps that is an extreme interpretation... but it was entertaining thinking and writing it.Brandon in Californiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14796810137823230737noreply@blogger.com