tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post7678377887713806606..comments2023-10-30T09:03:07.163-07:00Comments on California High Speed Rail Blog: High Speed Rail Is Simply a Better Way to TravelRobert Cruickshankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06906581839066570472noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-62941264889732956682008-04-25T12:08:00.000-07:002008-04-25T12:08:00.000-07:00Regarding the travel times issue, it's worth notin...Regarding the travel times issue, it's worth noting some key factors:<BR/><BR/>1. The LA and SF HSR stations will be in the core of the two cities, as opposed to the periphery. Central location makes it easier to travel to the station by any number of means than it is to travel to an airport on the edge of town.<BR/><BR/>2. The LA, SF, and San Jose HSR stations will be at the hub of extensive public transit systems - whereas SFO, OAK, SJC, and LAX are all on the edges of transit infrastructure. <BR/><BR/>3. Other HSR stations will also be located more centrally in a given region than the corresponding airports, even though places like Fresno and Anaheim need more public transit options.<BR/><BR/>I would love to see the kind of study you propose, anonymous. But mikeonbike is right with his short and sweet statement that most Californians will be closer to an HSR station than to an airport. Quantifying that for each station would be great - but the concept seems clear enough for most Californians.Robert Cruickshankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06906581839066570472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-5958247174821912312008-04-25T11:54:00.000-07:002008-04-25T11:54:00.000-07:00@ mikeonbike -absolutely true, but it doesn't inva...@ mikeonbike -<BR/><BR/>absolutely true, but it doesn't invalidate my statement. For an honest comparison, you have to compare realistic travel scenarios, which include not only the start and end address. You also need to factor in when someone travels, by what means they get to and from the airport or train station, how critical it is that they arrive on time, how much flexibility they need in changing the time of their return trip, if they need to work in transit, their expectations regarding safety, health, environmental impact etc. etc.<BR/><BR/>One way to gauge how attractive HSR would be in the real world is to go to the airport and survey people waiting in line regarding the details of their trip between the Bay Area and SoCal. Then, in each case, you could figure out if HSR - if it already existed today - would indeed be the better choice for that particular person or group making that particular trip at that particular time.<BR/><BR/>Given a representative sample of several thousand cases, you could get a sense of the market share HSR could potentially capture and what the customer acceptance hurdles to achieving that would be.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the folks over at CalPIRG could get their professors to award some academic credits for such a study. Abstract discussion of travel times tend to focus on the mythical travel who is already downtown in one city and needs to be downtown in another. Life is usually messier than that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-43385364441392302012008-04-25T09:03:00.000-07:002008-04-25T09:03:00.000-07:00Anon said "The total travel time argument deserves...Anon said "The total travel time argument deserves closer scrutiny. First, you have to get to and from train stations as well."<BR/><BR/>Yes, but you're likely to be closer to an HSR station than an airport. There will be more HSR stations than airports.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4263762637946594105.post-60133636584657286472008-04-25T07:39:00.000-07:002008-04-25T07:39:00.000-07:00The total travel time argument deserves closer scr...The total travel time argument deserves closer scrutiny. First, you have to get to and from train stations as well. Granted, in the major metropolitan areas served you can use regional rail, BART/subway, light rail, a bus, an (electric) bicycle or you can walk there. Getting someone to drop you off and pick you up with a personal car is, of course also an option - especially in suburbia.<BR/><BR/>However, all of this does take time, just as getting to the airport does. Chances are, actual door-to-door times will be pretty close.<BR/><BR/>What gives HSR the edge are its many other advantages:<BR/><BR/>(a) reliability. In countries with modern rail systems, passenger trains run on time - regardless of weather. Long delays are extremely rare. In the US, he Amtrak experience is marred by networks that are largely single track, owned by freight operators and in poor state of repair. HSR is a <I>completely</I> different proposition.<BR/><BR/>(b) no check-in and security procedures. These not only take time, they also result in a much less pleasurable travel experience. And while HSR <I>could</I> be a terrorist target, the same is true of every other type of infrastructure. Besides, you cannot deliberately crash a train into a high rise building - or a nuclear reactor. None of the countries that have suffered attacks against their rail infrastructure have introduced airport-style security in response.<BR/><BR/>(c) more space to relax. For the same price, you get the comfort of business class. If you need to stretch your legs or get peckish, there's a cafe car - no attendant will bump you with a cart or block your access to the nearest restroom. Some of the TGV trains in Europe even provide dedicated play areas for kids and enclosed compartments for families.<BR/><BR/>(d) a better mobile office. Some rows of seats face each other, with a large table in-between. The windows will feature blinds or perhaps, electrochromic dimming. Standard AC outlets can easily be made available. Speeds are low enough to support cell phone service except in tunnels. Broadband internet access incl. VoIP may become possible with 802.16 (WiMax) plus on-board 802.11 (WiFi), though Caltrain did not yet achieve acceptable results in a recent trial.<BR/><BR/>(e) greater baggage allowance. You can take two bags and, one of those can be a folding bicycle. If it's an electric type - very handy for getting to and from the train station in summer - you can recharge the batteries in transit. For an additional fee, you can take along standard-size bicycles and even scooters. And as long as he's housebroken and you use a muzzle, Fido can come on the train without having to check him as live cargo cooped up in box.<BR/><BR/>(f) air quality. Since they're electric, high speed trains feature zero tailpipe emissions. Normal braking is recuperative, so except in emergencies, there is no particulate matter from brake linings - nor any from rubber tires. Aircraft cabin pressure is equivalent to that at 8000ft above MSL, i.e. 25% less oxygen per unit volume. Trains are not pressurized and therefore do not need to recirculate cabin air at all. It is merely an option, e.g. when passing downwind of a refinery.<BR/><BR/>(g) noise & vibrations. On high speed sections, the special tracks required for HSR also minimize contact noise and vibrations. Advanced aerodynamic design reduces wind noise and tunnel boom. Residents close to the line will still be affected, but that is true of freeways and airports as well. Noise and vibration comfort inside the cabin is superior to that in a motor vehicle or aircraft.<BR/><BR/>(h) energy security. Electricity can be generated using many different energy sources, including domestically produced coal. If the electricity used to run HSR is 100% renewable, there are no fossil carbon emissions - a significant contribution to reducing California's GHG footprint. Construction is also less energy intensive than upgrading the modal alternative would be.<BR/><BR/>(j) crash safety. Hight speed trains are articulated designs based on Jacob's bogies. These are shared by consecutive short cars, which also allows those cars to be wider - creating more interior space. In the event of a derailment, the articulation greatly reduces the risk of cars tipping over and causing severe injuries or death. Collisions are extremely unlikely because of double-tracking, in-cab signaling and positive train control, strict grade separation and chain-link fences on either side of the line. Also, trains are massive and therefore come to a stop more slowly than cars or planes. There is no need for seat belts - and no clear air turbulence to worry about.<BR/><BR/>(k) radiation. Flying in the stratosphere exposes passengers and crew to <A HREF="http://www2a.cdc.gov/nioshtic-2/BuildQyr.asp?s1=20024127&f1=%2A&Startyear=&Adv=0&terms=1&D1=10&EndYear=&Limit=10000&sort=&PageNo=1&RecNo=1&View=e&" REL="nofollow">cosmic ionizing radiation</A>. Long-term epidemiological studies of the health effects, particularly on women in their reproductive years, is ongoing. Trains stay on the ground, so even babies in utero are not subjected to additional health risks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com